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		<title>By: Stevie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 00:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missa

Of course you&#039;re right about Mervyn, though his group is totally dedicated to prevention of the Hellgates re-openiing, and thereby maintainance of the status quo, so naturally, he&#039;s not likely to change much.  

I was shocked by Connie&#039;s transformation though part of me sort of envies it.  As the new-her, she was very healthy, seemed content, had a long and apparently fulfilling life without much extra baggage.  Not bad really. Certainly she lost the things that made her &quot;Connie&quot; in the bargain, which I suppose is why it doesn&#039;t really work for most and why you feel like she committed &quot;suicide.&quot;  Also, it helped that she lived in a fairly tolerant society, as her lifestyle might have branded her elsewhere.  Actually, in some of the other Chalker series there are women that get transformed into similar types of characters.  In the book I&#039;m on now, GOD Inc. #2, Brandy Horowitz sort of transforms into a Connie-type but unfortunately is forced into prostitution, though I feel confident that she will find her way out of it soon.  Chalker seems as preoccupied with these beautiful, schizoid, super-sexed women as much as he is with the paradasical Garden-of-Eden style islands as temporary respites.  

I think that you&#039;re also right when you write that Chalker uses a lot of psychology.  Another thing that I find fascinating about his books in general is that they&#039;re not especially interested in empire building, war or the pursuit of power as an end in itself.  That is refreshingly different from a lot of other writing in this genre.

What did you think about the two Well World books without Marvra and Nathan Brazil that were underwater?

I also really liked the Chalker fantasy series, the Dancing Gods.  Have you read these?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missa</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;re right about Mervyn, though his group is totally dedicated to prevention of the Hellgates re-openiing, and thereby maintainance of the status quo, so naturally, he&#8217;s not likely to change much.  </p>
<p>I was shocked by Connie&#8217;s transformation though part of me sort of envies it.  As the new-her, she was very healthy, seemed content, had a long and apparently fulfilling life without much extra baggage.  Not bad really. Certainly she lost the things that made her &#8220;Connie&#8221; in the bargain, which I suppose is why it doesn&#8217;t really work for most and why you feel like she committed &#8220;suicide.&#8221;  Also, it helped that she lived in a fairly tolerant society, as her lifestyle might have branded her elsewhere.  Actually, in some of the other Chalker series there are women that get transformed into similar types of characters.  In the book I&#8217;m on now, GOD Inc. #2, Brandy Horowitz sort of transforms into a Connie-type but unfortunately is forced into prostitution, though I feel confident that she will find her way out of it soon.  Chalker seems as preoccupied with these beautiful, schizoid, super-sexed women as much as he is with the paradasical Garden-of-Eden style islands as temporary respites.  </p>
<p>I think that you&#8217;re also right when you write that Chalker uses a lot of psychology.  Another thing that I find fascinating about his books in general is that they&#8217;re not especially interested in empire building, war or the pursuit of power as an end in itself.  That is refreshingly different from a lot of other writing in this genre.</p>
<p>What did you think about the two Well World books without Marvra and Nathan Brazil that were underwater?</p>
<p>I also really liked the Chalker fantasy series, the Dancing Gods.  Have you read these?</p>
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		<title>By: missa</title>
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		<dc:creator>missa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of yet, I have read the Soul Rider Saga and the Well World Saga. I seriously want more. 
I found myself disappointed with a few of the male characters in both series- they seem rather 2-dimensional, and lack the ability to change, adapt and progress as well as their female counterpoints. Although Mervyn took on the look of a woman, he never really changed. I&#039;m not sure he had the courage. 
I just finished re-reading Birth of Flux and Anchor, and found myself for the first time really thinking about the choice Connie made. I know I never could have done it, but I can see how it was thought out, and how it may be beneficial. I feel it equates to suicide, but... 

I love the way Chalker got psychology into everything. (at least everything I&#039;ve read) and how even such fantastical stories relate to current society. 
I honestly thought my husband and I were his only fans anymore- no one knows what I&#039;m talking about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of yet, I have read the Soul Rider Saga and the Well World Saga. I seriously want more.<br />
I found myself disappointed with a few of the male characters in both series- they seem rather 2-dimensional, and lack the ability to change, adapt and progress as well as their female counterpoints. Although Mervyn took on the look of a woman, he never really changed. I&#8217;m not sure he had the courage.<br />
I just finished re-reading Birth of Flux and Anchor, and found myself for the first time really thinking about the choice Connie made. I know I never could have done it, but I can see how it was thought out, and how it may be beneficial. I feel it equates to suicide, but&#8230; </p>
<p>I love the way Chalker got psychology into everything. (at least everything I&#8217;ve read) and how even such fantastical stories relate to current society.<br />
I honestly thought my husband and I were his only fans anymore- no one knows what I&#8217;m talking about</p>
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		<title>By: Stevie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 18:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Missa

Thank goodness that you&#039;ve contacted me!  I&#039;ve been Chalker-obsessed for ages without anyone to comment about it with!  

I do think that you&#039;re right to an extent that Chalkerian villains have more hang-ups about sexuality and, ultimately they seem to &quot;pay for it&quot; in the end.  Though it is kind of striking that it is mainly &quot;heroines&quot; (at least in Flux and Anchor) that go through endless bodily transformations, degrading situations etc. while the &quot;heros&quot; sort of stay the same.  Also to me it often seems one way:  if a male character changes, he never becomes &quot;male&quot; again.  Female characters can transiently become male or have male sexual characteristics but they are either a kind of &quot;third sex&quot; or female in a matter of thinking.  Do you know what I mean?  

In some of the other series, you see more men changing to women and vice versa, though I still struggle to get a handle on what it means.  Have you read the &lt;a href=&quot;http://enphilistor.50megs.com/well.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Well World trilogy&lt;/a&gt; that Chalker published in the Nineties?  To me the whole book is about problems with oppression of women.  At the very end, Nathan Brazil, who had never considered the issue seriously until his conversation with Mavra Chang in which she complains about how she was &quot;stuck&quot; at home with women in traditional ancient societies while Nathan went partying with the guys, makes that boo-boo and forgets to reset his human body back to a man and the last we see of him is he has become a woman from Miami or something--possibly for centuries to come.  What do you think the message is here?  Is Chalker teasing Brazil or what?

What other Chalker novels do you enjoy?  I&#039;m reading book 2 of GOD, Inc. right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Missa</p>
<p>Thank goodness that you&#8217;ve contacted me!  I&#8217;ve been Chalker-obsessed for ages without anyone to comment about it with!  </p>
<p>I do think that you&#8217;re right to an extent that Chalkerian villains have more hang-ups about sexuality and, ultimately they seem to &#8220;pay for it&#8221; in the end.  Though it is kind of striking that it is mainly &#8220;heroines&#8221; (at least in Flux and Anchor) that go through endless bodily transformations, degrading situations etc. while the &#8220;heros&#8221; sort of stay the same.  Also to me it often seems one way:  if a male character changes, he never becomes &#8220;male&#8221; again.  Female characters can transiently become male or have male sexual characteristics but they are either a kind of &#8220;third sex&#8221; or female in a matter of thinking.  Do you know what I mean?  </p>
<p>In some of the other series, you see more men changing to women and vice versa, though I still struggle to get a handle on what it means.  Have you read the <a href="http://enphilistor.50megs.com/well.htm" rel="nofollow">Well World trilogy</a> that Chalker published in the Nineties?  To me the whole book is about problems with oppression of women.  At the very end, Nathan Brazil, who had never considered the issue seriously until his conversation with Mavra Chang in which she complains about how she was &#8220;stuck&#8221; at home with women in traditional ancient societies while Nathan went partying with the guys, makes that boo-boo and forgets to reset his human body back to a man and the last we see of him is he has become a woman from Miami or something&#8211;possibly for centuries to come.  What do you think the message is here?  Is Chalker teasing Brazil or what?</p>
<p>What other Chalker novels do you enjoy?  I&#8217;m reading book 2 of GOD, Inc. right now.</p>
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		<title>By: missa</title>
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		<dc:creator>missa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 14:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not the only one reading these books. Chalker is one of my favorites!
I&#039;ve often wondered what the deal was with the sexual identity issues, and the only answer I&#039;ve come up with is that Chalker himself had a lot of questions. Perhaps he wanted to know how the other half lives, or simply wanted to point out that the male/female role is only a small part of who you are, though it has the ability to alter who you may become. 
It was more attitude and acceptance that got the characters through their situations, and if you think about it, you come to realize that the ones who had the biggest hangups with their sexual identity were the &quot;bad guys&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not the only one reading these books. Chalker is one of my favorites!<br />
I&#8217;ve often wondered what the deal was with the sexual identity issues, and the only answer I&#8217;ve come up with is that Chalker himself had a lot of questions. Perhaps he wanted to know how the other half lives, or simply wanted to point out that the male/female role is only a small part of who you are, though it has the ability to alter who you may become.<br />
It was more attitude and acceptance that got the characters through their situations, and if you think about it, you come to realize that the ones who had the biggest hangups with their sexual identity were the &#8220;bad guys&#8221;.</p>
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